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    Posted: 09 October 2017 at 9:55am
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Yulp this is a good heavy duty product which I installed in my dodge in the past.  Unfortunately in my case it did not solve my trucks wandering problem.  Like the guy in the video I replaced all front suspension joints with Moog problem solver components including changing out the tierod/drag link to the  new T-link design. Even went out and bought new tires, front brake calipers, rubber brake lines, rotors still same problem.

Trucks been in 3 alignment shops and I just recently got under the truck and adjusted the lower control arm caster adjustment from about 5.5 on D.S. and 4.5 P.S. to min I could get just to see if trucks handling would change.  Mind you I'm using an angle finder setting on top of knuckle next to upper ball joint to measure angle. Well trucks handling improved a little but still not right. Strange thing is when I rotated the bolts in the lower links towards the axle (shorting the effective length of the lower links) the caster should have decreased as measured at both front knuckles. Well the driver side did as it went from ~5.5 deg to 3.0 deg however the passenger side stayed about the same at 4.5 deg.  How can this be as it is a big beefy solid axle?

I know a couple of Ford guys that tell me I can fix the problem by buying a new Ford diesel.....I'm looking around at them now!

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I have been trying to figure out what to do about my play in the steering and how it is wearing out my front tires.  i was just going to get a new steering box installed, but sounds like I would end up with the same problem if I dont do this fix too.
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I know JKs have an issue where the factory bolts are undersized for the lower control arm and track bar bushings and axle ears, plus they are full threaded and wear out the bushing linings. Soon after I got mine I spent the $40 on the Northridge grade 8 bolt kit, which are shoulder bolts that properly fit the holes. Hopefully it prevents any issues.
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Originally posted by dontoy dontoy wrote:

Yulp this is a good heavy duty product which I installed in my dodge in the past.  Unfortunately in my case it did not solve my trucks wandering problem.  Like the guy in the video I replaced all front suspension joints with Moog problem solver components including changing out the tierod/drag link to the  new T-link design. Even went out and bought new tires, front brake calipers, rubber brake lines, rotors still same problem.

Trucks been in 3 alignment shops and I just recently got under the truck and adjusted the lower control arm caster adjustment from about 5.5 on D.S. and 4.5 P.S. to min I could get just to see if trucks handling would change.  Mind you I'm using an angle finder setting on top of knuckle next to upper ball joint to measure angle. Well trucks handling improved a little but still not right. Strange thing is when I rotated the bolts in the lower links towards the axle (shorting the effective length of the lower links) the caster should have decreased as measured at both front knuckles. Well the driver side did as it went from ~5.5 deg to 3.0 deg however the passenger side stayed about the same at 4.5 deg.  How can this be as it is a big beefy solid axle?

I know a couple of Ford guys that tell me I can fix the problem by buying a new Ford diesel.....I'm looking around at them now!

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That just leaves steering box or driver.   
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I guess you've tried getting under the truck and have someone slowly rock the wheel back and forth just enough to load the steering while you look closely at each steeringng component for play.

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I need to have the wife or son move the wheel back and forth while I watch as I have not done that.

Also not mentioned in my above post was that I have changed out the track bar bushings two different times. First with Moog's then with ones that were designed using higher density material.

Steering box feels like it is tight but maybe it can bypass/leak fluid without me giving any input causing slight random steering input?

The second alignment shop removed some of the control arms and told me they were ok but I have not looked myself.

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Have you ever adjusted the adjuster Allen screw on your steering box?
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I have not since the box feels right. Maybe I should mark where it is and then try adjusting in both directions and see how it feels.
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I would advise AGAINST adjusting that bolt.  90% of the time I have tried it, it didn't help or it made it worse.  You can actually destroy the steering box if you adjust it too tight.
 
Note:  the box is designed so that the gears are tightest when the tires are pointed straight ahead and much looser when they are turned either direction.  So, if you do try it, make sure the tires are point straight ahead when you do it.
 
DO NOT turn the wheels all the way to one side to make it easier to get access to the steering box and then tighten the adjuster.  If you do that, the gears will be way too tight when you straighten the wheels back up and probably damage the box/gears/etc.  Don't ask me how I know this.  Unhappy
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We adjust them regularly. Follow correct procedure and it's perfectly fine. I'd definitely adjust the steering box correctly if fighting a wandering issue and I found play in the box.
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Another problem that causes wandering...


Sloppy shackles and bushings.  I installed new ones on the 4rnr, and now I can drive Slaughter rd in one lane.
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Well after owning my Dodge 2500 for about 6 years during which I have been unsuccessful at getting it not to wander.

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and what do you know I think I fixed it Tongue

Bring on the big load....this truck has the capacity to tow both my trailers loaded at the same time...X2.

Brad hurry up and get yours so you can lay hands on it and explain this FORD stuff to me.  I'm lost at the air to liquid intercooler!!!


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Steve I know........the Dodge was so much simpler under the hood. My dad never bought anything but Fords his whole life. Maybe he is looking down with a smile now. Hopefully this will be the last fullsize truck that I will need.
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I was going to say that was quite the upgrade, but given its a ford, i can't say that. Mopar or no car!

But seriously, the capability difference there is massive. Time for bigger toys!
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Be carefull; you ain't used to Ford Power yet!!!!!
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I think Don is going to get lost inside that cab!
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I need to borrow that truck to haul a load of pea gravel saturday.
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Hmmm, there may be some truth to the old joke that a Dodge pickup is just a shipping crate for a Cummins 12V engine...
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Funny guys!

Brad you have to get in line my wife's sister said she needed it to haul a load of manure!
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Thass purdy.  I like it!
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I like it but I'd hate to see the sticker!
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