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bluetoy 
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 Topic: KOTH suggestions and commentsPosted: 24 August 2009 at 7:50am |
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What did you guys think as spectators or competitors ? Feel free to give us your ideas for next year. Without ya'll this event would be nothing, so tell us what you would like to see. Big thanks to all who came out and watched,
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Posted: 24 August 2009 at 10:20am |
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better/ faster recovery efforts? seems like it took an hour to recover buggymike as well as the comp buggy at the top of the hill.
and also the whole course layout for the little guys was no fun for them. i am glad i didnt enter my jeep as i would have been technically competeing on the same course as Adam Carters XRRA buggy......
not fare IMHO.
i say go back to yalls old ways of fastest one to the top and have a seperate course area for the little guys.
i did like how you had the start line over to the side where all the rigs had a big area to park/work on the junk while they waited to run.
Thanks for an awesome event! i know everyones comments will help yall in the future!
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Posted: 24 August 2009 at 1:33pm |
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i like the how the comp use to be... fastest to the top.. I do not care for goin downhill at race speeds as well as several others... IF ya think its not that rough on tires, then go try it.
The whole frame rule deal which i believe i spoke to Lee Ann about.
I think placing a cone at the end of the line @ 4:30 or 30 mins before yalls proposed finish time can help with what happen.
Makin the payout better for competitors..
You dont have an event without competitors and for what we were racing for $ wise, it doesnt seem as fun.
Granted, Had there been 40 -50 rigs this year, it would of been a cluster at the bottom. Yet, i do not remember having to wait on a competitor to get to the line to start.
oh, the hotdogs tasted like vienna sausages.
 and the announcer needs to be replaced.
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Posted: 24 August 2009 at 2:52pm |
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I agree with JR, maybe the cone at the end of the line would have worked, who knows?
stick with the time constraints aand enforce them.
maybe limit the runs on the course to 3 or 4 fastest time counts depending on the number of competitors
different course for smaller rigs
stock frame stock type suspention class
all in all had a great time what happened happened
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Posted: 24 August 2009 at 3:01pm |
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x2!!!! haha and sorry if i come across as a jerk... but i know yall like to hear the comments from ALL aspects! |
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Posted: 24 August 2009 at 3:27pm |
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We usually compete but were spectators this year because our rig was broke. I always love going to KotH but this year was a completely different experience. We were standing close to the top & there were such long periods when we didn't even have a rig up our way. I realize thats because the smaller rigs were having trouble getting up there but it let the crowd get really bored. We wound up leaving about 2:30 b/c my 7yr old (who loves to watch rock racing) kept saying "I wanna leave, this years King of the Hill is LAME". I really like the way you normally do it with two seperate sides for the different size rigs. That seems to help with the dead time. Also we couldn't hear the anouncer at the top even when the rigs weren't running. We bought 20 raffle tickets & couldn't hear the numbers being called. I also agree with JR on the downhill run. We ran last year & it was really rough on the tires. We ruined 2 good tires coming down the course. And my last suggestion would be to please put something on those winch cables when you use them. KotH is always great about safety first but every year you use those winches with nothing on them in case they snap. There are way too many spectators standing way too close to those cable to be running them without, at least, a shirt or towel or something on them.
Thanks for listening. Looking forward to a better, normal, KotH next year. |
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Posted: 24 August 2009 at 3:31pm |
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Thanks everybody for keeping this civil.
Great discussion and trust me, we're listening. We always want to make it better. We do try to change things at times thinking it may work better. Changing it up every now and then, we feel may help keep it interesting but sometimes there's that old saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" That may just be the case here. All great comments - keep 'em coming!!! They all help us improve the event. |
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Posted: 24 August 2009 at 3:33pm |
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thats weird... they are usually pretty good about that however i did notice that a couple of times.... i just managed to put a tree between me and the cable... |
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Posted: 24 August 2009 at 3:43pm |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wS4kPy4mdc
the year of this event is what i would like to see koth 2010 being turned towards.
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Posted: 24 August 2009 at 4:30pm |
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i agree! look how many local guys were competing back then! |
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What does RCRC think they need to improve on next year. All I have seen online is how great an event it was and thank you's. If RCRC believe's it was a great event this year, thats fine they meet THIER objectives. I have to say after the last 2-3 years of this event I dont know what the objectives of it has become. The first 2 years I attended it , it was a fun event that was very relaxed and people were going to "race thier buddies" I dont see the event in that opinion any more though. I think that is true after seeing the vehicles and lack of lesser built rigs in this years KOTH.
Im more looking to see if this will return to a grass roots race. I have personally for the last 2 years said the course needed to be faster and less aggresive. I think this year proves that if it is going to be a grass roots race for all, that needs to happen. Just my .02 , I didnt compete for the following reasons.
150 is just to steep for a course that is going to be potentially expensive on parts.
Racing my trail rig against Adam Carters rear engine , or Tim Cantrell's rear engine is just plain silly. These guys race professionally and do so on a very high level. Its like JRhalls old yota being expected to hang with my rock buggy. Its silly.
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Posted: 25 August 2009 at 2:35am |
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Posted: 25 August 2009 at 3:43am |
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First off, you've got a good thing going and there's nothing wrong with stepping out of the box and testing the waters. I have competed in the KOTH for a number of years without any success,ie, fires, broken everything and basically poor luck (buy the video, I'm the one in the blue buggy with yellow flames on fire). But I keep coming back here because I enjoy the sport and the other people I meet there. But, this year I did not compete due to an illness with my buggy. This years layout was definitley geared towards the rock racer with the rear steer ability. It showed as many of the competitors were dq'd for backing up under the ribbon or just generally driving like me, aka Stevie Wonder. IMO, bring back the two course layout, 1) small tire line, 2) big tire, run what you brung and hope you brought enough course, if not a third for the full on rock racer's. This will allow each driver to choose his style of driving according to his vehicle. I personally like the wide open, give it what you got method of driving and this proves to be a crowd pleaser whether I make it or break it. Also, $150.00 for us is pretty steep and would probably draw more competitors if lessened. Just my .02 worth |
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Posted: 25 August 2009 at 3:50am |
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Keep posting suggestions for entry fees... this is one thing that is easy to fix based on what competitors think it should be since 100% of the entry fee is the payout to 1st, 2nd and 3rd...
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Posted: 25 August 2009 at 11:17am |
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Would like to see it go back to the narrow start line---narrow finish line, and pretty much pick your line to get to the top the fastest that it has been until the last two years. Going down hill at speed is expensive, painful, and kinda boring to the spectator. |
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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 1:23am |
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I know people that paid the $50.00 Entry Fee just to see if their rig could go up the course.
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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 2:48am |
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I loved the event, but did not like the drama at the end. Ah well, I didn't compete so its not my problem.
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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 3:59am |
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Drama at the end? Do explain......
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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 10:15am |
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the frame rule is what has always ticked me off... everyone knows what a buggy is and what a trail rig is. my 5500 pound trail rig can't compete with a 2600 pound buggy. don't make the course so hard that 38's can't get up, because thats what alot of the locals run .
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yea though t rockcrawl through the valley of the shadow of death i will fear no trail, for thou art modified; thy rig and thy lockers they comfort me!!!! 1 B.A.M.F.
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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 10:17am |
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how does the rule stand for say, a toyota on 38's and suppose behind the cab, the frame is cut off and 4 linked?Would that be considered unlimted or 38" class?
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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 10:23am |
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The way the rule was, it would be an unlimited. Not very fair, IMO. We had this discussion already and it should be changed for next years event.
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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 12:50pm |
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This may have already been covered but I bet you would get alot more entries if you sweetn the pot with say a thousand to each class.Anyone can do the math to know there was a good profiet made.Not that it would matter to us but it seams $$$ means alot to some.That might make alot of the locals who are SCARED to come out of the wood work.I say this not to hit again about what happen this year but most events have a little somethig extra in the pot to draw more folks in.I've always been told if you gonna gamble ,gamble BIG.Draw'em on in for next year.Pops
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Posted: 27 August 2009 at 12:06am |
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I would like to see more Madison and Jackson county people take part in this event. Increase in ticket price to cover this.
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Posted: 27 August 2009 at 2:36am |
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$15 is kinda pushing the limit for me. I would hate to see a higher ticket price.And how would that make more people show up?
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Just a suggestion, to get more spectators to show up to make up for the lost in less Higher class rigs or have a separate event. Put on two events each year. I would personally help in any way I could to promote the second event. Hale Mountain in New Market,Alabama would be a great place to hold a second event.
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my question is, How is charging spectators more going to draw them in to see less higher class rigs?
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Shes tring to say that if you increase the payout for the competitors you might draw in more locals . Make up for the pay out in ticket prices or whatever. 5 bucks more a person might be all you need to increase them to. Ive paid 25 and 30 bucks to see a concert and watched them play for 2 hrs. This is a 8 hr event or better.
Increased payout may draw more locals into the event side because some but not all people are not willing to take a chance on breaking major components for small change. Im not gonna break my frame in half over a 500 dollar payout.
Draw in more local competitors , you should draw in more locals that know the locals competing , hence more people across the board. In theory anyway..... Edited by 94Blazer327 - 27 August 2009 at 5:28am |
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Posted: 27 August 2009 at 6:45am |
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Just so y'all know.
The payout doesn't come from spectator entry fees just entry fees for the drivers competing. That's the pot. However, it has been suggested and we'll entertian the idea of RCRC contributing to that "pot" as an incentive to get more competitors. We understand that both the size of the pot and the course layout are very important in drawing the numbers of competitors. We will evaluate both extensively prior to our next KotH.
This is all good discussion - thank you all for your comments and suggestions. The only way we'll learn is from your input.
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Posted: 27 August 2009 at 8:43am |
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if the ticket price gets any higher i wont go....
but i can see what yall mean about making the payout better. thats what stopped me from competing... dont need to raise the ticket price. at $15.00 a person and they said they had 800+ people there that would be that they made $12,000+ . thats why they are able to use all entry fee money to go towards payout. |
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As a Spectator... (who was not at this year's less-than-spectacular event)
-Entry fee needs to be lowered for competitors, and RCRC needs to add a bonus. The event wouldn't exist without competitors, make it worth their time and effort!
-SAFETY. Shoulder harnesses need to be required before somebody gets hurt.
-Bring the course from 2006 and 2007 back!
-Cut off competitors from lining up at a certain time.
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i second that! there were several competitors that were competing in OPEN jeeps with a simple lap belt on. i say if your in the limited big and the unlimited class there should be a shoulder harness requirement. |
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I think 15 a person is too much imo
I say go get a shit load on 1`s and make it around 7 bucks...
cut a bunch more trees down near the bottom wher the starting line was..
lot of the parks we rride at anymore that hold races match what we all put in... just an idea.
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