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    Posted: 11 February 2011 at 3:49pm
I have been having an armadillo problem in my yard, tearing my new sod up. Easy to chase but hard to trap. I have chased two back to their holes and killed with cabon monoxide, but this last one has been elusive. I have seen him 3 times in two weeks but I am always unarmed. Tonight I walked out back with my 45acp and cought him digging in my sod. I blinded him with a flashlight and got within 10ft of him and fired, the shot sounded like a wet firecracker and the amadillo ran around the barn. I figured it a dud and rechambered easily. I caught him again in my barn under my 62 Nova and fired again from about 4ft away. I did not realize the first shot left the bullet lodged about 3/4 down the pipe. The second shot blew the barrel and slide apart, pieces of the gun actually hit the armadillo. He ran to a corner wall bleeding and I ran to the house to get my 22 rifle, returned and ended him. I am pretty disgusted. This is a Detonics CombatMaster 45ACP, excellent pistol but I had crap ammo. Hopefully I can rebuild the top end but I am thinking this pistol is a total loss.
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That is a real shame.  But be thankfull you still have both eyes and all your fingers.
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Man that sucks. What kind of ammo was it? Think if that had happened when you were shooting at something more than an armadillo.
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Was it federal or something made by them? They just put out a recall for mischarged ammo.
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Wolf brand ammo. I know, not the best but I have shot wolf brand for 20 years and never had a problem. I have probably fired a million rounds in my life and never had a bullet lodge in any barrel. The bad round didn't destroy my pistol, the second round did. I should have stopped and investigated more. When I ejected the bad round I assumed the bullet went with it. It was dark and I was in pursuit.

Like you said John, good thing this was only an armadillo. Some times you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you.

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Where did you buy the ammo?  I would contact whoever you bought the ammo from.  If nothing else, you may get a couple boxes of new ammo.

Wolf has a pretty good rep, but....crap, I have about 1500 rds of Wolf in my safe.  Hmmmm..
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I've had problems with gun oil leaching into the ammo if I use too much oil and/or leave the same ammo in the gun too long.  The oil will leach into the primer and the powder.  It has always been the round that was left in the chamber that malfunctioned. 
 
I went shooting with a guy from work a few years back.  He had one of those Makarov pistols that they were selling soo cheap back then.  He kept that pistol in the glove box of his Honda with one in the chamber.  On his first shot, the pistol just kinda made a PUFF sound and you could actually see the bullet come out of the barrel and hit it the dirt and bounce.  The rounds in the mag functioned properly.
 
I have a Beretta 40 cal that I keep loaded.  Occasionaly I ratchet the round out of the chamber and throw it away.
 
This may not have been your problem, but its something to think about.


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Do gun manufacturers plan for this sort of (ammo + user) failure in their design?

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I think if you are properly maintaining a firearm, you should be able to store a round in its chamber forever without affecting that round.  If there's enough oil in there to foul the round, you are putting waaaay too much oil on the machine.  But that's just personal opinion, and I personally never store a round in the chamber of my semi-auto handguns.

I dont think any handgun manufacturer can design for a plugged barrel.  They probably test that way, and do some level of destructive testing.  But just looking at the thickness of the barrels of common, modern semi-autos, I cant see how you can design for this failure mode and still produce an affordable and lightweight firearm.

I have never experienced anything like this with a rifle or handgun, but I did personally experience it with a shotgun.  I blew the forward barrel mount completely off a gas-operated Ithaca semi-auto shotgun when I was a youngster.  It was my own fault, though, resulting from poor practices when reloading my shotgun shells.
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Oil leaching into a round stored in the chamber of an auto is a very common problem.  It really doesn't take much oil.  It depends on the type of oil, the ammo, the temperature, the time of storage, the gun and probably a lot of other things.

The type of ammo makes a big difference.  Military ammo is sealed at both ends; at the primer and at the neck.  Usually with a special crimp and/or lacquer.  A lot of commercial ammo has no seal; some have a lacquer seal at the primer and some do have the military type crimp.  I used to reload a lot of .223.  I could really tell which brass was military brass due to the way the primer was crimped in.  I had a special RCBS tool to remove the military primer crimp so it was easier to press in the new primer.


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Had a very similar thing happen with Wolf Ammo to my friend's AR15 at the range last year. Luckily, we checked and realized it had lodged in the barrel before firing another round. The brass also moved far enough into the star chamber that we had to take it back to his house to get it out. Fun times. I definitely don't recommend the stuff.
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Sorry to hear about this and I'm glad you didn't get hurt.
 
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Any time you get a less than normal action from a firearm you've got to stop and investigate.  Low recoil, lower than normal noise, failure to cycle the action - these are all indictators that something didn't happen properly and that you likely have a bullet lodged in the barrel.
 
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Originally posted by 98TJ 98TJ wrote:

That is a real shame.  But be thankfull you still have both eyes and all your fingers.
 
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I know some of that Russian ammo uses steel cases.  I would never run steel cases through a gun I owned.
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I saw this once with a 10-22 were the ammo had gotten wet. Luckily it was a .22 because the guy wound up with 2 bullets lodged about 1/2 an inch from each end of the barrel but it didn't explode the barrel. Was a nightmare to get them out though.
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Damn, Pat! That sucks! I'm glad you came off unscathed, it could have been much worse. Obviously you'll have to replace the slide, and everything in it. You may be able to build off of the lower, as long as none of the internals were damaged.
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Holy Cow!  I have a 1,000 rounds of Wolf 223 ammo.  I might be getting rid of it now! 
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Originally posted by 98TJ 98TJ wrote:

I know some of that Russian ammo uses steel cases.  I would never run steel cases through a gun I owned.
 
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The only real issue I've seen Wolf ammo is about reloading.  Steel cases don't reload well and most folks won't even attempt it.
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Originally posted by alabamatoy alabamatoy wrote:

Originally posted by 98TJ 98TJ wrote:

I know some of that Russian ammo uses steel cases.  I would never run steel cases through a gun I owned.
 
Why?
 
Lots of reasons.  Just google: "steel case ammo bad" and you will see some folks opinions on the subject.  Some people don't have a problem with steel case ammo; I am a dinosaur who thinks ammo brass should be brass and trucks should have stick shifts.  I'm too old to change now.
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Originally posted by 98TJ 98TJ wrote:

I'm too old to change now.
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Originally posted by 98TJ 98TJ wrote:

Originally posted by alabamatoy alabamatoy wrote:

Originally posted by 98TJ 98TJ wrote:

I know some of that Russian ammo uses steel cases.  I would never run steel cases through a gun I owned.
 
Why?
 
Lots of reasons.  Just google: "steel case ammo bad" and you will see some folks opinions on the subject.  Some people don't have a problem with steel case ammo; I am a dinosaur who thinks ammo brass should be brass and trucks should have stick shifts.  I'm too old to change now.
 
I dont totally disagree, was just wondering if there was a solid physical reason.  I knew about the reloading issue.  I have fired a LOT of steelcase ammo, especially in the 9mm and .40 calibers.  I've never had any issue.  I recently split a case of 1000rds of .223 (brass case) with a friend of mine, and we had to send them back.  The loads were too light to operate the action on my AR15 reliably.  So my recent experience arguably has been brass is bad, steel is good.
 
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Originally posted by 98TJ 98TJ wrote:

I'm too old to change now.
Depends?
 
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Originally posted by mdmTJ mdmTJ wrote:

Originally posted by 98TJ 98TJ wrote:

I'm too old to change now.
Depends?
 
On what?
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Originally posted by 98TJ 98TJ wrote:

Originally posted by mdmTJ mdmTJ wrote:

Originally posted by 98TJ 98TJ wrote:

I'm too old to change now.
Depends?
 
On what?
Nothing.  I guess if you really look at it, even with Depends you still have to change or be changed.
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