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    Posted: 22 January 2010 at 2:16am
For those of you with Optima batteries, would you buy another or would you go with a standard type battery?  
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I would. I have 2 of them , one came with my Blazer when I bought it in 02 , still in there , and the other I bought in 06. They are wired in parallel and she will crank everytime I go out there no matter how long it has sit . Ive had to do some heavy winching on Bingham one time , which resulted in me pulling a reese hitch off a Z71 that was stuck(the winch broke all the 3/4" bolts that were holding it to the frame) and the truck didnt die , never lost power to nothing. Excellent batteries IMO
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I have a yellow top in my 4runner that is 8 years old and is still working great. I also have a red top thats 12 years old in my demon. I love them. I think some people give them a bad rap from improper use. They treat red tops like they are a deepcycle battery and there not.
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I got a yellow top and it's great. Battery terminals don't corrode.
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Originally posted by RL-RRC RL-RRC wrote:

   I think some people give them a bad rap from improper use. They treat red tops like they are a deepcycle battery and there not.
 
That may describe what I did.  I bought a $130 red top.  It worked fine for a year until I left the cb on for a week and totally drained it.  It was never the same after that.  About a year later I left the cab light on and drained it again.  It was done.
 
Cole has a yellow top and he likes it just fine.  I cannot figure out why the yellow top deep cycle is the correct battery for cranking and winching.  Seems like the red top would be better, but obviously it ain't.
 
I replaced it with a $48 Walmart battery and all has been fine.
 
I would buy another Optima if I was building a buggy.
 
 


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To clarify , Im running dual red tops
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This is going in the XJ.  I've had no problems with the Energizer (I know it sounds funny but it's what Sams carries).  The last time I took the lead wire off I cracked the top part of the housing and after the Hot Springs trip I've got acid everywhere.  So far I haven't seen the need for a sealed battery much less wanted to pay the 3x it costs for an optima. 
 
I can't even consider the red top.  I'm sure the old ones were great and still working fine 8+ years later, but from my readings (take it for what it's worth) the newer reds aren't worth having.  I would get a yellow with side terminals if I were to get one.  Sams has them for about $160 and Autozoo said that they would match the price.  I'd rather buy it at AZ cause if it had to be replace in BFE then the odds of an AZ being around are far greater than a Sams Club. 
 
 
 
 
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Costco. They are everywhere out west.
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No.

I've owned 5 or 6 of them, and IMHO - they are waaaay over-rated.   I have had maybe 2 out of 6 that were great batteries.  The rest flat out will not hold a charge, especially after sitting for any period of time in an unused vehicle.

For the pitifully low CCA you get for your money, they simply aren't worth it.
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I live in the South.
I wheel in the South for the most part.
 
I wheel out west maybe once a year. 
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Originally posted by scoutman scoutman wrote:

   I would get a yellow with side terminals if I were to get one. 
 
 
Unless they have changed them, don't hook your winch to the side terminals.  At least that was the case with my red top.
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Originally posted by 98TJ 98TJ wrote:

Originally posted by scoutman scoutman wrote:

   I would get a yellow with side terminals if I were to get one. 
 
 
Unless they have changed them, don't hook your winch to the side terminals.  At least that was the case with my red top.
 
X2. Even says that in the wiring inst. for a winch. A good long pull will melt them beotches out!
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I've run the side terms in all of my batteries with no problems.  If a freaking optima can't handle that then that pretty much decides it. 
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I had a Red top in my Jeep for 12+ years( since I was 14) and it died a year ago, I think the sitting caused it.  I will always buy an optima.
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I would if they are still as good as this one. The battery was in my daughters 4runner for about 6 months before this happened. It has one corner smashed and a couple of gashes in the sides that made me afraid to use it so I put it on the shelf in the garage and left it for about 6 months. Then one day I decided to put it in my truck and see if it was ok. Ran it for about 6 months and then put it in my daughters new 4runner and it has been fine ever since, about 4 years.

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Ive seen a winch melt the side terminals out of different kinds of batteries. I was just posting that as a rule of thumb
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Ive torn apart abunch of batteries before ( 4 recycling) and in every dual post battery the side posts were just thin extension from the main top posts.
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I have heard that sears diehard platiums are made by optima
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I gotta replace the POS Redtop Optima in my 4runner.  Im not buying another optima.  Criminy, I can buy two or possibly 3 deep cycle batteries for the price of one Optima.  Especially when you consider the yellow tops.  The ONLY reason I would ever consider an Optima is I need one that can run on its side or upside down ie for the Optima sealed properties.
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premier power welder folks are not big on optimas either-Company has been bought and sold several times-They recommend Odessey-but they are $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Brad is right-once a red top is drained-throw it away.
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Originally posted by alabamatoy alabamatoy wrote:

  ...... I can buy two or possibly 3 deep cycle batteries for the price of one Optima.  Especially when you consider the yellow tops.  The ONLY reason I would ever consider an Optima is I need one that can run on its side or upside down ie for the Optima sealed properties.
 
Yes, those are my thoughts on them also.  I probably had the wrong Optima battery and the yellow top would have been better.  But, like you said, I can walk into any Walmart in the US and buy three perfectly good regular batteries for that kind of money.
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  ........once a red top is drained-throw it away.
I would have never bought that battery if I had know that.  It cost me about $130 to find out.  I guess the yellow top Optimas don't have that same problem? 
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Honestly if you drain any lead acid battery to nothing, you have damaged its capacitance forever.

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I wouldn't doubt that there is some damage to completely drain down any battery.  But my red top went totally south after two such drainings.  I've never had that happen with a lead-acid battery.  Tried the double battery recharge and all that.  It was toes up.
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So how many of ya'll have actually leaked acid out of your traditional batteries, (barring you being upside down)? I like the security of a sealed unit but so far I've never had any problems with this. I guess until I do, I can spend my extra $100 elsewhere. I'm getting another energizer from sams for $59. The base model duralast at autozoo was $85 and their gold was about $100!
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The older optimas were great, but the current ones are junk.  For every 5 that my store sells 4 of them come back bad within a year.  A dual post 34/78 series from Advance is about 100 bucks and has more CCA than the Optimas.  Those Energizers at Sam's are the best priced batteries that I've seen, about $65 for a 3 year free 84 month prorated battery.  Batteries plus also has a sealed type of battery similar to an Optima.  Parts stores make a retarded amount on the mark up on batteries.  The only leaking batteries that I've seen regularly were the 75 and 78 series AC Delcos that would leak from the negative terminal.   I've been told that there's only about 4 major manufactures of batteries globally, most of the one's available here are made by Johnson Contrals.
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The yellow top I have in the Jeep has been great. I completely drained it when I left the ingnition switch in run for 6 months in the garage (Doh!). I put it on a charger overnight, and it works as good as when I first bought it 9 years ago. I've heard a lot of complaints about the newer ones, but Optimas have done right by me.
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Originally posted by grcthird grcthird wrote:

The older optimas were great, but the current ones are junk.  For every 5 that my store sells 4 of them come back bad within a year.  A dual post 34/78 series from Advance is about 100 bucks and has more CCA than the Optimas.  Those Energizers at Sam's are the best priced batteries that I've seen, about $65 for a 3 year free 84 month prorated battery.  Batteries plus also has a sealed type of battery similar to an Optima.  Parts stores make a retarded amount on the mark up on batteries.  The only leaking batteries that I've seen regularly were the 75 and 78 series AC Delcos that would leak from the negative terminal.   I've been told that there's only about 4 major manufactures of batteries globally, most of the one's available here are made by Johnson Contrals.


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SWEET!   Sams gave me a $30 credit on my old battery so the new replacement only cost me $32!
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For just another $130 you could have had an Optima yellow top.  Cry
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the yellow top is the way to go ,and you are not suppose to hook a wench to the side post it will short out the connection from the top termial to the side post is to small
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If I had bought a yellow top instead of a red top, I probably would still be using mine.
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Whatever you pick don't buy one from autozone. The only good thing about them is that they always fail in the warranty. They are the most unreliable batteries I have ever seen. I bought the one in the Jeep about four years ago and I have been through three of the autozone batteries in the Taurus in that time. 
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