Dyno Day for the RCRC
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Topic: Dyno Day for the RCRC
Posted By: Guests
Subject: Dyno Day for the RCRC
Date Posted: 21 December 2009 at 8:21am
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Anyone interested in putting his rig on the dyno? The normal rates at Track Masters in · $60 Baseline 3 Pulls. · $80 Baseline 3 Pulls. Wideband Air/Fuel Included · $100/hr Customer Tunes. Wideband Air/Fuel Included If we show up with 5 – 10 vehicles he’ll drop the charge for three pulls to $50.00. If we show up with over 10 rigs he’ll drop it to $45.00. They will open up for us on a Saturday. I haven’t addressed the rates for baseline pulls plus air/fuel or customer tunes. If enough people show an interest in doing this, I’ll pursue it further. If you look at their web site it says 2wd vehicles only but this is only addressing Come on out and strut your stuff. Didn’t you always want to know what that cold air intake and throttle body spacer really does for you? http://www.etrackmasters.com/ - http://www.etrackmasters.com/
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Posted By: 94Blazer327
Date Posted: 21 December 2009 at 8:31am
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I would love to . My truck is 92" wide though. All I got in 8 lug is may pops. ------------- www.DamnLocals4x4.com |
Posted By: bluetoy
Date Posted: 21 December 2009 at 11:37am
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I bet my 22R will put down at least 60+hp to the rear wheels. ------------- TOYOTA FOUR WHEEL DRIVE................need I say more? |
Posted By: 94Blazer327
Date Posted: 21 December 2009 at 11:40am
I got a turbo off a series 60 sitting on the bench at work you could put on it , but youd seriously have to do somthing with that webber.......Ever heard of a 22R with a 1000cfm Dominator on it? ------------- www.DamnLocals4x4.com |
Posted By: bluetoy
Date Posted: 21 December 2009 at 11:53am
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I would like to see how the 3RZ I just swapped in my '84 would compare a 22R. Either way, it would be funny to see a 4cyl toyota on a dyno.  ------------- TOYOTA FOUR WHEEL DRIVE................need I say more? |
Posted By: 94Blazer327
Date Posted: 21 December 2009 at 12:02pm
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I bet 22r would have a hard time spinnin it anyway. Dabbs wants to put it on that BBF. I told him he was nuts , but to get with it ------------- www.DamnLocals4x4.com |
Posted By: grcthird
Date Posted: 21 December 2009 at 3:43pm
My 2.4 Tacoma put down 126 hp and 144 torque when I ran it on the dyno at UTI. Yes I have a picture of it making a pull. Still have the dyno sheet. The funny thing is that stock truck put out more that all those kids with the Honda civics ever did.
I'd like to see cj8lvr put Todd's 8 on the dyno, after a little break in time. ------------- 85 Toyota pickup with 85lbs of bondo, 33" TSLs, Spool, Warn winch, 63" chevy's, Ruf, cage and other preowned parts. |
bluetoy wrote:Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 21 December 2009 at 5:14pm
| I would be interested but I would have to find some other tires I am right around 82-83. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 22 December 2009 at 1:03am
| I'm interested. Always wondered what my actuals were with the supercharger. Especially the torque numbers. |
Posted By: JRTOffroad
Date Posted: 22 December 2009 at 2:19am
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Awesome, count me in! Just finished breaking in the new engine and need to dial in the mixture & timing.
I would want the WB AF monitoring. ------------- [URL=]JRTOffroad[/URL] ULTRA4 Racer #4580 - Thanks to Extreme Rock Rigs (XRR), Nitro Gear, BFGoodrich, Tom Woods, Ruff Stuff, FOA, Fusion Works Fab! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 22 December 2009 at 2:32am
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That's three. A couple more and I'll check on a group rate for the air/fuel monitoring and tuning. Kyle, all you need to do is find two rims and tires that would let you fit. You can swap them out there if you didn't want to drive with them. I'm sure one of us could bring a decent floor jack to help with the wheel swapping. It looks like we could get in any Saturday in January except the 2nd and 23rd. I don't believe we need a "group" to schedule for a Saturday. What dates work for you guys. I know there are more of you out there that are curious about what your squirrel cage is putting out. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 22 December 2009 at 3:05am
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It looks like I'm free all but the last weekend in January.
Never been on a dyno with any vehicle so I don't know what to expect or what is offered with the 2nd and 3rd packages. What do the wideband air/fuel and customer tune features refer to? Is this just a tweak of mixtures and tuning while it's on the dyno?
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 22 December 2009 at 3:19am
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So we could be looking at 9 or 16 Jan? Either would work for me.
I'll get more info on the Wideband A/F but if you are interested in something other than the base pulls I'd suggest you speak directly with Arthur at Track Masters (539-0398). That way nothing gets lost in the translation and you get direct answers to your questions. Please share any info you get. It does appear that the tuning is engine specific.
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Posted By: JRTOffroad
Date Posted: 22 December 2009 at 3:37am
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Sooner the better, I want to get this thing dialed in so I can hit the track ------------- [URL=]JRTOffroad[/URL] ULTRA4 Racer #4580 - Thanks to Extreme Rock Rigs (XRR), Nitro Gear, BFGoodrich, Tom Woods, Ruff Stuff, FOA, Fusion Works Fab! |
Posted By: Pringles08
Date Posted: 22 December 2009 at 4:53am
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Can I run my mustang on it? I've always been curious.... Much better than making up numbers when ever someone asks...hahaha...oh, maybe I don't want to know.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 22 December 2009 at 5:23am
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Their primary customer base the high performance go faster crowd so your Mustang would be right at home.
Paul Wright, don't you have one of those go faster machines??
Nothings says that everyone in the group we put together has to drip mud on the rollers.
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Posted By: Ace
Date Posted: 22 December 2009 at 8:09am
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I'm in, just let me know which day it will be. I would be interested in some of the other packages maybe? Give us some more information on them.
Thanks
Kerry ------------- 03 Rubicon,6.1 Hemi,37" BFG Krawlers, custom suspension by Griffin Specialty Industries |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 22 December 2009 at 8:38am
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Are you in for the game? Yes or no? Shooting for 16 Jan unless I hear from you otherwise.
Michael – TJ with a 4.6 stroker
Drake - '04 Xterra Joseph – Mustang Kerry – TJ with a 6.1 Hemi If your name shouldn’t be on this, let me know. If your name should be on this list and it isn’t, shame on you for holding out. |
Posted By: JRTOffroad
Date Posted: 22 December 2009 at 8:49am
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Engine = 5.9 Magnum ------------- [URL=]JRTOffroad[/URL] ULTRA4 Racer #4580 - Thanks to Extreme Rock Rigs (XRR), Nitro Gear, BFGoodrich, Tom Woods, Ruff Stuff, FOA, Fusion Works Fab! |
Posted By: bkubisht
Date Posted: 22 December 2009 at 1:28pm
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I *just* got the remaining parts for going edis on my 22R. I'd probably need until mid January and then I need tuning time instead of HP pulls. If things work out just wrong I could do a HP pull before upgrades just as a baseline. So either way I should be considered a strong maybe.
Would the $50 price get wideband O2 readouts as well? If so I'll plumb a spare pre-cat O2 port specifically for this purpose. ------------- 3RZ swapped 1985 Toyota 4Runner |
Posted By: 87-toy
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 1:50am
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My brother has a 74 nova he would like to see what it will do. We should be there. ------------- Toyota |
Posted By: Case
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 3:21am
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i'll be there. I'll be rocking the 4.0...but its ok i've spent like $600 in air filters and throttle bodies and high flow mufflers so I should be making at least 300+hp.
------------- 06 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited all torn apart. |
Posted By: NOT4HWY
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 3:50am
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Can I get one side of a rockwell on it? ------------- Club member since 1992, Club President 1995-1999 Trail rig:S-Blazer,Rockwells,507 Caddy,T-400,203/205, Tow-rig: '23 F350 4x4 |
Posted By: alabamatoy
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 4:07am
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I would like to get in on this with my Ford 7.3 PSD. It will fit with about 1 inch to spare.
------------- "If you didnt buy your 1st gen 4Runner new, then YOU are a newbie!!" BRC Life Member |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 4:10am
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Michael – TJ/4.6L Drake – Xterra Jordan – TJ/ 5.9 Magnum Joseph – Mustang Kerry – TJ /6.1 Hemi Bryan – Toyota/22R Heath – Nova Case – TJ/4.0L
If you are interested in anything other that the base pulls and wideband A/F monitoring it would be better if you spoke with them yourself. When you get into the tuning aspects there are too many variables out there.
No. $50.00 will just cover the three baseline pulls. Wideband A/F monitoring is an additional $20.00. The shop is now closed for Christmas but when they open back up I will see if we can get a group price reduction for the A/F monitoring.
My calibrated eyeballs tell me you are a tad over their 81” wheel track limit. You’ve got a rear locker, right? Do you suppose they would let you put one rear wheel on the roller, remove the other wheel, and put that end of the axle on a jack stand? Hmmm, interesting thought. Again, if you want to do any tuning, I don’t want to get in the middle of that conversation. There’s too much of a chance details will get muddled in the translation. When they open back up after Christmas, I’ll get some more info on pricing and schedule this for 16 Jan. http://www.etrackmasters.com/ - http://www.etrackmasters.com/
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 4:12am
What about the Yellow TJ? I'd sure like to have a stock baseline reference.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 4:15am
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Two more for the deeper discount!! |
Posted By: alabamatoy
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 4:18am
If you pay for it, I'll bring it if she is in town. Its usually parked in Auburn, Al.... ------------- "If you didnt buy your 1st gen 4Runner new, then YOU are a newbie!!" BRC Life Member |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 4:27am
Let's take a look at this picture. I pay for it and I probably have to go to Auburn and bring it back. I bet I'd even have to take it back to Auburn when we got done.
Just how badly do I want this? Hmmm
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Posted By: JRTOffroad
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 4:43am
Case should provide some good baseline 4.0 numbers.
How is that 4.6 running, significant performance gain? Have you done any custom tuning, or just increased the injector size?
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 5:04am
I was glad Case jumped in. His TJ would give some stock numbers but there have been some minor changes between '00 and '06. Doc's TJ is a '01 which is more like mine used to be. The engine is running strong. I feel more power but the rig sat with no engine for five months and it had 175,000 miles on it before it quit on me so I'm not real sure how the calibration is on my butt dyno. My butt dyno calibration is what started this whole quest. I haven't done any custom tuning and am still running the stock injectors and stock throttle body. I don’t want to mess with any tuning or other changes until I get a feel for where I am now. I do have a bit of a lifter tick which is really ticking me off. To get the lifters out on the 4.0L you have to pull the head back off. |
Posted By: JRTOffroad
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 6:27am
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With stock injectors and tune I imagine you're running fairly lean in the top end, might want to avoid WOT runs until get it strapped to the dyno and monitor the AF. That also means there's probably a fair bit of power left on the table from what you feel now.
Before you rip the head back off, you may want to pull the valve cover and verify the pre-load on each lifter (~0.020 - 0.060in past zero lash). Assuming you're using the stock cam and made no changes that would impact valvetrain geometry this shouldn't be an issue, but it's worth checking for piece of mind. ------------- [URL=]JRTOffroad[/URL] ULTRA4 Racer #4580 - Thanks to Extreme Rock Rigs (XRR), Nitro Gear, BFGoodrich, Tom Woods, Ruff Stuff, FOA, Fusion Works Fab! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 6:43am
| I've got a friend with a "not so" street legal mustang he wouldn't mind getting on a dyno. He's got to fix a head gasket but said he could have it ready by then if it's ok that he's not a member of the club. |
Posted By: 87-toy
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 10:45am
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I've got a friend that might bring his S-10. ------------- Toyota |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 12:25pm
| This is turning into an interesting day at track masters....wish I had something worth running |
Posted By: RL-RRC
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 12:47pm
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Count me in as 2 vehicles
05 Dodge Ram Cummins
71 Dodge Demon
 ------------- 96 Lexus lx450 85 Toyota Truggy built by Don 69 FJ40 Chance favors the prepared! |
Posted By: Tex62
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 1:10pm
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could do the ford or the tj. dont know that I'll be free though. Art is a cool guy. Met him on another dyno day they had a few years ago. ------------- Mike |
Posted By: dontoy
Date Posted: 24 December 2009 at 3:49am
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You can put me down....I would like to see what the old Dodge 2500 oil burner will do!
May be interested in getting the fuel/air checked/set on the donstrosity as well....I'll call and talk to them about that as I know nothing about it.
Don ------------- 1985 ToyBuggy w/TBI GM4.3/TH350, Marlin doubler, 4.88's, locked front & rear, 37" TSL SXII, and other stuff. |
Posted By: cj8lvr
Date Posted: 24 December 2009 at 4:54pm
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1 4.0L powered Jeep Scrambler 1 late model Camaro (Co-worker of ours - very nice guy) ------------- ___/| [_\__\], l___l__L-O|||||O_ _()_)__()_)___()_) Jake White Owner of CartoTracks.com Trail Maps Past RCRC - VP Past Nat'l CJ-8 Scrambler Owners Association President |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 26 December 2009 at 3:51am
Worth running? C'mon.. I'm bringing a 3.3L V6 to this party. If mine cracks 140hp I'll be quite surprised.
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Posted By: bkubisht
Date Posted: 26 December 2009 at 9:56am
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Since we're talking dynos, does anyone know of a dyno shop in the HSV area with a 5-gas analyzer instead of just O2 measurement? ------------- 3RZ swapped 1985 Toyota 4Runner |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 28 December 2009 at 12:55am
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Michael – TJ 4.6L Drake – Xterra Jordan – TJ 5.9 Magnum Joseph – Mustang Kerry – TJ 6.1 Hemi Heath – Nova Case – TJ 4.0L Doc - F250 7.3L Ryan – Dodge Ram/Dodge Demon Don – Dodge 2500/Donstrosity Jake – Scrambler Friend of Jake – Camaro Friend of Drake – Mustang ?? Friend of Heath – S-10 ?? So we are now sitting at 13 people and 15 vehicles with a couple more that may be on the fence. If you want to be added to the list or dropped, please let me know. I’ll try to get in touch with the shop this morning to set the date and get some questions resolved. I’m still going to shoot for 16 Jan. His shop is normally closed on Saturdays but he will open up by appointment. Somehow with this list I’m pretty sure he’ll be more than happy to be there for us. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 28 December 2009 at 4:28am
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I've got us scheduled for 16 Jan. He'll be ready to start at 0800. He can usually do 2-3 vehicles per hour for the three baseline pulls. The group discount just applies to the three baseline pulls. The group discount does not apply to A/F monitoring or tuning.
For those of you trailering your rig there are several businesses nearby that are closed on Saturdays and he has an understanding with them that permits their parking lots to be used for tow rigs. Baseline pulls are very straight forward and quickly done. Tuning has the potential to become lengthy and can develop into problems. Because of this I think it is only fair that anyone desiring to do any tuning should be at the back of the line so that should you have any issues you aren't holding up those just doing baseline pulls. A/F monitoring is done with a tail pipe sniffer. 81 inches is the widest wheel track allowed on the dyno.
As I’ve said before, if you want to do any tuning please contact Arthur or Gary directly. Trackmasters, Inc 256-539-0398 http://www.etrackmasters.com/index.htm?page=_contact_message.htm - http://www.etrackmasters.com/index.htm?page=_contact_message.htm http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Huntsville&state=AL&address=4628+Commercial+Dr+NW&zipcode=35816-2202&country=US&latitude=34.74059&longitude=-86.629194&geocode=ADDRESS - http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Huntsville&state=AL&address=4628+Commercial+Dr+NW&zipcode=35816-2202&country=US&latitude=34.74059&longitude=-86.629194&geocode=ADDRESS
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Posted By: cj8lvr
Date Posted: 28 December 2009 at 9:27am
Spy shot of said tail pipe sniffer:
 ------------- ___/| [_\__\], l___l__L-O|||||O_ _()_)__()_)___()_) Jake White Owner of CartoTracks.com Trail Maps Past RCRC - VP Past Nat'l CJ-8 Scrambler Owners Association President |
Posted By: alabamatoy
Date Posted: 29 December 2009 at 7:42am
Im gonna be right on that...probably within it by an inch....very close ------------- "If you didnt buy your 1st gen 4Runner new, then YOU are a newbie!!" BRC Life Member |
Posted By: dontoy
Date Posted: 03 January 2010 at 12:53pm
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You can drop the Donstrosity.....I'll just bring the Dodge 2500 to keep things simple!
Do you know if I'll be able to make a run in 3rd or 4th gear (mines an auto)? The torque converter won't lock up in 1st or 2nd. The truck has an aftermarket DTT converter and valve body but there is still some slip while it's in 1st and 2nd gears?
thanks,
Don ------------- 1985 ToyBuggy w/TBI GM4.3/TH350, Marlin doubler, 4.88's, locked front & rear, 37" TSL SXII, and other stuff. |
Posted By: RL-RRC
Date Posted: 03 January 2010 at 2:15pm
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When I did my last dodge truck there we did it in third gear. ------------- 96 Lexus lx450 85 Toyota Truggy built by Don 69 FJ40 Chance favors the prepared! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 03 January 2010 at 2:16pm
| It will probably be done in 3rd Don because it should be in whatever gear is 1:1. |
Posted By: dontoy
Date Posted: 05 January 2010 at 10:06am
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That is good to know thanks guys!
Don ------------- 1985 ToyBuggy w/TBI GM4.3/TH350, Marlin doubler, 4.88's, locked front & rear, 37" TSL SXII, and other stuff. |
Posted By: Ace
Date Posted: 07 January 2010 at 4:08am
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I am going to get some tuning work done. I guess I will be last in line. What time do you think I should need to be there? ------------- 03 Rubicon,6.1 Hemi,37" BFG Krawlers, custom suspension by Griffin Specialty Industries |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 07 January 2010 at 4:49am
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With the current number that is planning on showing up I would think around noon should work if you are interested reducing wait time. If you give up a good phone number I could give you a call around mid morning.
With that said - Guys I don't intend to become a social director for this event. For myself, I'm looking at this as a club activity just like a ride. I'm in at the trail head and don't leave until everyone is off the trail and ready to head home. Do I expect this from everyone? Nah! I don't know about the rest of you but I'm looking forward to seeing what everyone is able to turn. I'm betting it will beat watching cartoons by a long shot.
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Posted By: Case
Date Posted: 08 January 2010 at 3:38am
Guess i'll be watching cartoons... The rear axle on my jeep is completely destroyed. Total carnage. No chance for a rebuild between now and the event. Sorry to flake out. ------------- 06 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited all torn apart. |
Posted By: mrs. jpwrangler
Date Posted: 08 January 2010 at 11:31am
OK, what happened??? ------------- Lee Anna Wright, RCRC Secretary/Membership Director |
Posted By: Tex62
Date Posted: 08 January 2010 at 11:37am
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What date was that on ?
------------- Mike |
Posted By: Case
Date Posted: 11 January 2010 at 2:15am
i broke an axle shaft and bent the splines on the other a couple of months ago..there was a snafu with the axle warranty and I didn't get my new shafts in until a couple of days ago. When I went to put it all back together I found that I also broke the locker and carrier bearings and chipped the ring gear teeth. ------------- 06 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited all torn apart. |
Posted By: bkubisht
Date Posted: 11 January 2010 at 7:41am
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Case, I may have missed it, what brand of locker was it? I'm curious if it was a detroit that blew everything up via stored energy/tension when the axle popped. ------------- 3RZ swapped 1985 Toyota 4Runner |
Posted By: Case
Date Posted: 11 January 2010 at 9:29am
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it was the stock rubicon air locker whatever it is. whatever happened it caused one of the carrier bearing races to shatter. Most of the race ended up in the axle tube. I pulled the axle but haven't taken pictures yet. It's pretty impressive. ------------- 06 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited all torn apart. |
Posted By: bkubisht
Date Posted: 11 January 2010 at 9:44am
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I think we should have a stickied carnage thread in the members area. ------------- 3RZ swapped 1985 Toyota 4Runner |